# Bow bonus damage **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Feedback & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 31, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726 "2024-05-31T21:07:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/1 "2024-05-31T21:07:24Z")
Preface: I would much rather be playing the game right now… Bonus damage on the bow is ignoring resist and is doing damage above and beyond the base damage. I believe this also affects the Warlord Axe. Here I am in a PvP match with at least 50% Poison Resist. I forgot to grab the stats, but it was over 50% and likely 80% Armor: 130045 Health: 30120 Resistance: 52718 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/a/a4c09136c3c87dce7cf01a027d0a3f53e12d9e3c.jpeg) Shot showing the damage of 36,740 (blocked Crit) and 16386 as poison. Where is that 16,386 number derived from? it is supposed to be 18% bonus poison damage, but 18% of WHAT?!?! 16,386 is 18% of 91,033 Damage before the block? Damage after the block? Damage mitigated by poison resist? It is very difficult to even know where the bug lies since there are at least three variables that are not obvious given the in game data. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/a/a2fae703c956f9e54021de56b4a02a66f837a41b.jpeg) Armor: 93305 Health: 13734 Resistance: 52718 Bonus damage from the bow (and axe) should be mitigated by elemental resist, AND should be based on the _landed_ physical damage, not the pre-block damage. In this case should have been 18% of 36,740 mitigated by 80% poison resist, resulting in 1323 damage directly to health. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/2 "2024-05-31T21:10:17Z")
Here is the video of the event. ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/lyrian/32/17_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/3 "2024-05-31T22:00:35Z")
> [@00h00m](#): > > Shot showing the damage of 36,740 (blocked Crit) and 16386 as poison. Where is that 16,386 number derived from? it is supposed to be 18% bonus poison damage, but 18% of WHAT?!?! > 16,386 is 18% of 91,033 > Damage before the block? > Damage after the block? > Damage mitigated by poison resist? Not going to be 100% exact because of rounding and not knowing the exact poison resist %, but sufficiently explainable: Presuming 80/80 block: 36,740 / (100% - 80% block) = 188,400 base skull damage. 188,400 \* 18% carried over as poison spell damage = 33,912 poison damage. 33,912 \* 50% poison resist = 16,956 net life true damage taken. ✅ > [@00h00m](#): > > Bonus damage from the bow (and axe) should be mitigated by elemental resist, AND should be based on the _landed_ physical damage, not the pre-block damage. It’s always been this way since beta for these weapons. This (flawed, IMO) mechanic is why it is so easy to defeat a player who blocks because the raw unmitigated damage carried over to the bonus damage calculation for someone with very high crit damage ratios can reach into the millions, which even with decent resist amounts can be nigh impossible to defend against. ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/jeto/32/6326_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/4 "2024-06-03T01:44:59Z")
I had a dev also double-check this and they said everything is looking all good, but they mentioned there are some fair points of feedback in here generally as well. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/5 "2024-06-16T20:44:46Z")
Based on this response I am going to go hard on farming for Elven Bows. What are the odds that this is re-evaluated in the near future? Here is a better example of how overpowered the bow effect can be. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/5/5e23664ded81975977069ffdd565301cb5b30caa.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/jeto/32/6326_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/6 "2024-06-16T21:33:46Z")
I would think it’s fair to say, that as time goes on and the game develops and progresses - like all live service games - there is always the chance items & gear will be reassessed But I don’t have any info on like, what the NEXT thing the team are looking at rebalancing is ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/7 "2024-06-16T22:14:03Z")
And correct me if I’m wrong, but are all the weapons on the specialty tourney list? Be nice if the ones that aren’t could be added at some point. Like the Buccaneer’s (Cutlass) and Diraquine (Scimitar) for example. Not sure what sword type the devs would want to throw Lightbringer’s blade under, but probably broadsword? That helps to promote those seasons too, every time they’re featured as a tourney requirement, so long as there is always base game options to choose from as well. ---
**Author:** ![reYar2802](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/reyar2802/32/3836_2.png) [@reYar2802](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/reYar2802)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/8 "2024-06-17T06:24:25Z")
I don’t think it’s overpowered, I think the damage is correct based on what you have. I fought someone and they got similar skulls as you but he’s using a different weapon and he killed me with the damage close to 500k. Everyone plays and does their best. ---
**Author:** ![HigureTheStillWind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/higurethestillwind/32/3149_2.png) [@HigureTheStillWind](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/HigureTheStillWind)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 8:22am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/9 "2024-06-17T08:22:59Z")
All weapons are currently in the tourney list: | Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4 | Group 5 | Group 6 | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Longswords & Broadswords & Maces | Battleaxes & Hammers & Mauls | Spears & Sickles & Flails | Wands & Orbs & Tomes | Bows & Crossbows & Daggers | Falchions & Staves & Twinblades | | Royal longsword | Warlord’s Battleaxe | Firewalker Spear | Night Wand | Elven Bow | Dreamhold Falchion | | Guard’s Broadsword | Dwarven Hammer | Bone Sickle | Jeweled Orb | Khazdhuli Crossbow | Savior’s Staff | | Runic Mace | Serpentine Maul | Esgaard Flail | Dragonguard Tome | Flametree Thorn | Fallen Staff | | Lightbringer’s Blade | Corrupted Guard Hammer | Trarg Hookblade | Necrotic Tome | | Bloodfang Twinblade | | Bucaneer Cutlass | Dragonking Axe | Godslayer | | | Diraquine Scimitar | ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2024, 8:30am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/bow-bonus-damage/4726/10 "2024-06-17T08:30:11Z")
Wasn’t sure, good to know though, thanks!