# Ultimate (and other) Caches - Post 3.0 **URL:** \ **Category:** Game Discussion\ **Created:** [March 28, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490 "2024-03-28T18:24:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/1 "2024-03-28T18:24:38Z")
There seems to be a largely overlooked part of the gear update. Seasonal Caches are so much worse now. I just burned 6000 ancient coins going after something that does not exist. I know it is my fault for not reviewing the fine print of the caches, but I foolishly assumed that the Ultimate Caches would now contain Mythic gear… since ya know, it is one of the goals of a season. Does this mean that the only way to achieve the Mythic seasonal goals for future seasons is going to be RNG from chests that are limited to 3/6/9 per day? ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/2 "2024-03-28T18:29:06Z")
The caches do contain mythic gear. I know a player who got a mythic flametree pendant, the first night the patch dropped. Or do you mean the season set? ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/3 "2024-03-28T18:32:36Z")
Brings up another good point though. So currently the cache item is on the cache 6 times. 3 times as legendary and 3 times as mythic. I believe this is meant to be once at legendary, and 5 times as mythic, since there are 5 mythic rarity types now. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/4 "2024-03-28T18:58:57Z")
The season set pieces, as in, the 6 normal items for the season. Not the seasonal unique piece from Eldritch and Dragonking. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/5 "2024-03-28T18:59:52Z")
> [@KenpoKid69](#): > > mythic flametree pendant From a Chest or a Cache? ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/6 "2024-03-28T19:02:43Z")
Cache. I have noticed though that season chests seem awful compared to other game modes. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/7 "2024-03-28T19:42:48Z")
Odd, they only list Legendary (this is season 2.5) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/5/5eeda4f24d59e6086ad37a2b2788cba7b8cb365c.jpeg) and 3 versions at legendary ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/1/1f83af3fa03c11ae1c627a720135ba192db358ea.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/8 "2024-03-28T19:45:25Z")
Anecdotally, I have seen the same thing. Seasonal dungeon chests seem to be on a different drop rate table than dungeons 1-15. ---
**Author:** ![HigureTheStillWind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/higurethestillwind/32/3149_2.png) [@HigureTheStillWind](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/HigureTheStillWind)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/9 "2024-03-28T20:20:13Z")
> [@KenpoKid69](#): > > I have noticed though that season chests seem awful compared to other game modes. > [@00h00m](#): > > Anecdotally, I have seen the same thing. Seasonal dungeon chests seem to be on a different drop rate table than dungeons 1-15. I have the same feeling about seasonal drops being worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/lyrian/32/17_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/10 "2024-03-31T00:37:28Z")
As the Season starting this week features Shaman stuff, I would like to a least give a courtesy spin to this Season’s Legendary prize. However, given the drop rates from Caches in 3.0 under the new system, the drop rates for a Mythic Season Legendary are anemic at best. For me, Legendary = 20 Aether, period, as a Legendary will never replace a Mythic +5 or higher gear piece. The rates for past Seasons are 0.5% combined for all Mythic Quality levels. That’s odds of 1 in 200 in an Ultimate Cache. At 200 coins a pull, that’s an expected value of (200 / 0.005) = 40000 coins… plus or minus RNG in either direction. That’s a mindblowing number of coins, let alone their cost in Gems or Crowns. Enough to easily freeze out chasing one of these, as possibility of throwing two years’ worth of coins at this and walking away empty is very uncomfortably high, and that’s super disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 12:45am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/11 "2024-03-31T00:45:33Z")
Pretty sure its a bug and should probably be reported. But even if fixed the chances of a good drop on the other seasons is like 3% (mythic), down from 5% (for an upgradeable legendary). So still kinda bad even if they do fix it. ---
**Author:** ![HigureTheStillWind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/higurethestillwind/32/3149_2.png) [@HigureTheStillWind](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/HigureTheStillWind)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 8:19am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/12 "2024-03-31T08:19:49Z")
If caches remain as they are now, I won’t be opening a single one. The only reason I did before was to get the exclusive legendary item, but right now it being legendary I will never use it so I won’t be wasting my coins in the cache lottery of getting a mythic one. ---
**Author:** ![Jeto](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/jeto/32/6326_2.png) [@Jeto](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Jeto)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/13 "2024-04-01T21:04:34Z")
> [@00h00m](#): > > and 3 versions at legendary This visual of duplicate items is a known issue and is fixed with the hotfix (3.0.1) > [@Update 3.0 Patch Notes (+3.0.1 hotfix)](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/update-3-0-patch-notes-3-0-1-hotfix/4435/1): > > Gear rewards in Seasonal Cache display as duplicates with different chances > > - Should be resolved in 3.1 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/4/416fb068732c436f2389e448fd4b5ffd59e7a463.jpeg) As for Cache feedback, was something I had already been sharing but I’ll add this thread to my report! ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/lyrian/32/17_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/14 "2024-04-02T02:33:14Z")
Don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The drop rates are possibly _even worse_ (depending on your perspective as the net total of all the possible drops rates are the same as the previous Season caches), as the low drop rates are split to even rarer “normal” (Season 1.3) and rare “variants” (Season 3.0) drops. Variant gear has a 20% drop of appearing in place of the normal version. **This includes the Legendary Amulet**. Still 0.5% for Mythic. now split 0.4% over variant Quality levels and 0.1% for the variant version over those same Quality levels. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/d/d4a0a03f73a5392135b6e3f4074345d2d682f9c0.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/9/96a0744edd5f60008e8aa6d04f5ea82e3fdad1e2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/15 "2024-04-02T02:34:58Z")
> [@Lyrian](#): > > Still 0.5% for Mythic. now split 0.4% over variant Quality levels and 0.1% for the variant version over those same Quality levels. Actually it 0.01% for what I’m guessing is an Immortal mythic. ---
**Author:** ![Lyrian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/lyrian/32/17_2.png) [@Lyrian](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/Lyrian)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/16 "2024-04-02T02:38:43Z")
The Quality tiers have been pretty consistent across all of the caches: - 70% lowest tier possible - 20% next tier higher - 10% highest tier awarded Agreed, probably Sacred/Exalted/Immortal for the Mythic amulet. ---
**Author:** ![00h00m](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/00h00m/32/3601_2.png) [@00h00m](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/00h00m)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:28am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/17 "2024-04-02T05:28:48Z")
> [@Lyrian](#): > > Don’t know whether to laugh or cry. I think cry is the right response. ---
**Author:** ![KenpoKid69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/kenpokid69/32/4758_2.png) [@KenpoKid69](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/KenpoKid69)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/18 "2024-04-02T05:34:33Z")
I just got the amulet of the first in my first cache. Normally that would be fantastic, but kind of sucks now, being a legendary. Why not just have it drop at mythic? Going to take forever now to farm I guess. ---
**Author:** ![HigureTheStillWind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/community.puzzlequest3.com/higurethestillwind/32/3149_2.png) [@HigureTheStillWind](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/HigureTheStillWind)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 8:50am UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/19 "2024-04-02T08:50:33Z")
Don’t worry, we still have dungeon chests to get the good stuff (except the amulet) without opening caches. Here I got my first 3.0 diamond chest! Let’s see what nice things it has inside… ![Screenshot_2024-04-02-10-45-31-378_com.and.games505.puzzlequest3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/puzzlequest3/original/2X/a/ad85992af8ff67584f4507e454bdcf065c262bbb.jpeg) … … … Lyrian, can we cry together? 😅 ---
**Author:** ![ParaTara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/76d3ee/32.png) [@ParaTara](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/u/ParaTara)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490/20 "2024-04-02T16:10:35Z")
I got a diamond chest on my first dungeon and got a little excited, but then … ended up with a rare relic, some shards and food. Oh and capped gold. I think a little tweaking needs to be addressed in these. [Next page](https://community.puzzlequest3.com/t/ultimate-and-other-caches-post-3-0/4490.md?page=2)