They will be battling people from higher leagues. Their perceived difficulty will be higher than yours which is why they are getting more difficult opponents than you. This is how they designed it in 2.3 but changes are incoming in 2.4.
Very easily, let me explain it:
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The score any player gives to others (I will call it âstrengthâ) depends on the stats of the best loadout used in the tourney and on your citadel level. For example:
-If you use an all legendary loadout you will be giving more points than by using an all epic loadout.
-Two players with same gear can give different scores if they have different citadel levels. -
If you improve loadout or level during the week, the score you give will increase. However, using a worse loadout wonât decrease the score you give to others (the game will always use the highest value).
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You will always get to face the top scoring opponents from your tourney, independently of your actual âstrengthâ (the score you give to others). The only exception is the 10 players using highest âstrengthâ loadouts, which cannot face themselves as we have already explained before.
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You can also get opponents from other leagues to match your max possible strength (taking into account the strongest gear you have suitable for the tourney). And, this is the key, this pairing again is independent of the gear you are wearing and of the points you give to others.
Conclusion: any player with a high possible strength (the strenght they would have if they equipped all their best gear), wearing loadouts not in the âstrengthâ top 10 and with the ability to get perfect wins can get into the top places. The actual points they give to others can still be very low depending on the gear they use, because this has no impact on the pairings. And I assure you, you can very well get perfect scores against the strongest opponents with an all epic gear.
So no exploits, no tricks, no cheating, just playing with these rules in mind. If you are not reaching the top placement other players arenât to blame, the reason should be one of the following:
1- You arenât getting perfect wins (full health, armor and resistance)
2- You are using a too strong loadout, making you one of the strongest 10 in your tourney (I believe this is your issue both in Open and in Elite).
3- Your max possible âstrenghtâ is lower than that of other players, so you donât get strong people from other tourneys.
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Itâs almost never that way for me. Once I reach certain point I always get opponents that are too low. Also, the extra point they offer donât correspond with the gear score; lower gear often has higher bonus points.
Hi Higgs.
Thank you for your time, an answer.
Herr sent this.
Sorry Higgy, being âto strongâ and not getting opponents that allow me to advance above them still eludes my scientific mind.
If, by your own explanation, the top players are Epic level, but surely have legendary and mythic gear, then their point ratings should reflect their highest strength regardless of what gear with which they start the tourneys.
As you have told me, my setup gives you points. You are welcome. The reciprocal is not true.
Guess all I can do is struggle through this poorly designed and operated game feature and hope somehow it gets better.
There are facts out there too. Your ârumorsâ are backed by nothing but your inability to understand the format.
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Thank you for your rather sarcastic reply. I expected better of you. I understand the game has flaws which multiple updates have failed to cure. And, another update 2.4, is somewhere in the production line. Based on previous results any optimism this will be the curative event is dim.
I read and thought through the multiple âExplanationsâ and appreciate the authorâs effort.
All that said, the offered thoughts make no sense and if true, show a complete lack of cognitive ability to provide a reasonable gaming experience.
Perhaps I expect to much. In this case, apparently I have.
Hey just jumping in quickly here - letâs keep this constructive and a place for feedback.
There has been some great ongoing feedback shared about PvP and the scoring system, which we have mentioned a few times is an ongoing work in progress to find the best system for scoring.
Yes, some changes are coming in 2.4 - patch notes will be shared likely within the next few hours!
But should note, there is currently no âbugâ with how scores are currently calculated, also have yet to find anyone cheating or âtrickingâ the system. There is definitely specific tactics, builds etc that are more beneficial for PvP.
This is all feedback and data we have been reviewing ongoing as we make changes to PvP.
Again, please lets keep this a constructive space.
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There was no sarcasm. It is a completely serious statement. I am just trying to dispel the idea that you have put out there that there is some sort of cheating going on. Many players in this thread have tried to explain in great detail what you are experiencing.
I really donât think it is productive, or fair, that you continue to infer that there is cheating via exploits and bugs.
There are currently 4 players tied for first in the top tier open pvp tournament. I can tell you precisely how they got to that position and what separates them from position 5 and lower, because I understand the format and scoring system.
@Jeto I completely agree that we need to keep it constructive.
Three times in this thread Necro has put out there that the game is being exploited or cheated. These accusations are not based in facts or evidence.
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First, constructive discussion is the adult way to handle a discussion.
Second, exploitation and outright cheating are very separate events. I can explain them to you, and Jeto, but the responses speak for themselves.
OOhOOm, you state you can precisely tell me how the top players got there. Iâve heard theories from members, as you have so noted, and I accept your offer.
@Jeto; how is it OOhOOm can answer my question whereas you talk around it? With another update coming what holes or gaps are being fixed? Do you understand the difference between cheating, which I have not leveled against any player and game exploitation? So the answer to my question; how does one advance in the PvP remains a question you have not answered.
Herr sent this.
I will try to keep this as constructive and civil as possible. If I am too rash or blunt, I am sorry, but sometimes even my patience runs out and I find it difficult to keep being nice to everyone.
All the information needed to answer that question was given in my last reply. I am sorry but I wonât elaborate further than that, due to the following reasons:
1- PvPs are the competitive event of this game, so although I have no problem in giving some help and hints, I wonât be directly telling the exact keys to the event, since that would be detrimental for me and for all of us that have tried hard to learn, understand and solve the format. You already have most of the work done, the rest is up to you.
2- I have been quite offended by your repeated suggestions linking your inability to get a good position with players exploiting the system. 00h00mâs reply may have been a bit too blunt, but I cannot but agree that the problem for a player not being able to get top placement is not other players âexplotingâ the game, but rather their own lack of either ability, gear or understanding on how the format works.
-Is the format good? Well, I like it best that previous ones, but still has lots of room for improvement.
-Blaming the format for not getting good results? I wonât say a thing about this, it does have some annoying issues, indeed. We have even tried to help you understanding it so that, even if you still donât like it, you can do it better.
-But blaming us for not getting good results? Sorry but I wonât tolerate that. And about the exploting definition:
âIn video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitch, or use elements of a game system in a manner not intended by the gameâs designers, in a way that gives a substantial unfair advantage to players using it.â
First, we are using the system exactly as the gameâs designers intended. Second, we arenât getting a substantial unfair advantage, like getting more points than what should be theoretically possible. In fact, as you can see in 00h00mâs screenshot, we are just getting a max possible score that any player with the necessary understanding, ability and gear can reach. So sorry but no, we arenât exploiting the game.
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Thank you, as always Higure. I truly hope you realize that I mean that and appreciate your responses.
The title of this post, still in the subject line, states;, ânot getting a top opponent.â.
I the maelstrom this created was fascinating. Fingers started pointing. Tongues started wagging. A feedback loop frenzy crying I was âimplyingâ cheating was afoot birthed.
Well, the definition of exploitation, as you noted, is no where near the term cheating.
Well, we have yet another game update with part of it dedicated to leveling the PvP arena. Humm, I must admit I am curious .
Thank you again Higure.