Maybe you should read carefully what I did write again.
But … I did not want to bother you personally at all.
Its a game and I never will compare what ppl do in a game to what they do in real life.
In a game you can be everybody, as “good” or “evil” as you like … thats more then ok.
Thats what games are for …
But … nevertheless … well, stop it Joker, I gave my opinion already … and I think it was not that bad still.
Just pls dont feel personally offended.
Was not what I have intended.
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@HigureTheStillWind This is a misrepresentation of what @oscarxin wrote. You omitted the second option that @oscarxin recommended, which was: “option 2: keep the way they are now and refund glyphs.” This is also the option that I’ve included in my discussions.
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Again, this is mischaracterizing what we’re asking for. We are NOT “complaining about how unfair it was to have all mythic items get lvl 50 stats”. I would appreciate if you did not frame my petition like this, because at best it confuses my argument, and at worst it implies I want to deny my community the gifts they’ve received in this update. Through multiple examples and posts, I have stated that it’s unfair for the value of those Lvl 46+ glyphs to be vaporized. Or in other words, it’s unfair for the high-value of those Lvl 46+ glyphs to be translated to zero-value post-conversion.
First, a gift isn’t a gift if it requires me to give up something in return. If I give you an Xbox as a birthday gift, and then demand that you smash your PS4 - was the Xbox an actual gift?
Second, let’s say you have a PS4 but your friend has no gaming system. If I give your friend an Xbox and ask for nothing in return, but give you an Xbox and demand that you smash your PS4 - how is that fair?
Third, your argument assumes I’m “asking” for both the gift AND my resources, which assumes I have a choice in this matter. But I don’t have a choice - the “gift” is permanent and out of my control, so all I can do is ask for my vaporized glyphs to be returned.
So why is it unfair to ask for the resources back? If anything, it’s unfair to NOT give those resources back, because those are the highest value resources in the whole game that take months of gameplay time and/or money to obtain.
First, you are admitting the glyph devaluation here, which is great. Second, we can’t label “the extra value you are getting from the deal” as compensation if other people are also getting that “extra value” without losing anything. In other words, if you get extra value and don’t lose anything for it, and I get the same extra value but lose a lot of valuable resources for it, then we can’t say that the extra value is compensation.
My arguments haven’t been abstract at all. In fact, my arguments have arguably been the most practical, because it’s a matter of, “I spent time or money on XYZ glyphs → I used XYZ glyphs to obtain ABC value → The Gear Rework translated the value of ABC to zero for me → The time/money I spent on XYZ is now worth zero.” There’s nothing abstract there. My examples have been elaborate at times, because I’m trying to both (1) demonstrate how the Gear Rework translated some gamers’ value to zero, and (2) overcome some cloudy and/or abstract arguments from the community.
In reality, what would actually be the long-term effect of refunding Lvl 46+ glyphs lost in this conversion? What actual benefit will we get from that in the long run? Most likely we’ll be able to more quickly upgrade new characters’ battle scrolls, which is not particularly world-shattering or balance-bending.
@HigureTheStillWind I understand that you want our developers to be appreciated for the great work they’ve done on this update - and I agree with you on this point. However, this does not mean that we can’t advocate for corrections. Both can be done at the same time.
I have never said you cannot advocate for corrections, nor do I think your elaborate posts defending your opinion are a “bad” thing or anything like that. In fact, it is nice that you develop your argument so much so that everyone can understood the point you want to make.
It is just that as you have an opinion and give arguments in favor of it, I also have an opinion and give arguments in favor of it, nothing more, nothing less.
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I look forward to playing this game more by farming better gear, [thumbs up]
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In the meanwhile…
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What do we do with the rare and epic gear? I have several items in my inventory with good skillset (aim, cleave, e.t.c) waiting for evolving, and changing current (with less interesting skills) gear. It doesn’t seem possible now. Salvage it all? Or will there be the possibility of evolving later? Or “transplanting” good skills from low rarity donor to high rarity item?
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What do we do with the surplus shards? (Will the shop be changed?)
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Where is our new gold sink?
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Where is our rune supply? Runes and scrolls are more important now, than before the updates, but no additional chance of obtaining them…
There is more to come with gear in 3.1/3.2 onwards.
I have shared feedback on runes and scrolls with the team already, since I’ve been on 3.0 for a little while now.
We also have a shop rework on the way as well!
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Devs have added a nice new weekly deal to the shop. Go to shop, then bundles then other… 5 bundles of 50 spell pages for 5k gold each.
Also if you have Darkhunter, use his weakest power to keep making scrolls and runes, this is a fantastic goldsink and easy to do, even with a low level Darkhunter.
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@jeto Are developers open to refunding glyphs used to upgrade Mythic Lvl 46-50 items above and beyond the first one?
There are no plans for additional compensation/refunds for the transition from 2.5 > 3.0
@ed.209 ,
And so have i lol, playing since june, spent tons of money on game and almost 1500 hours, just deleted it now.
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Anyone know if the Forgemaster trophy/achievement is still achievable?
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Do glyphs actually drop in chests, or are they only available through the shop?
If they do drop, at what rate?
@Jeto @Mother_Morgz Can the developers provide a rationale why they don’t have plans to refund the glyphs I’ve highlighted in this discussion?
This is a total SCAM!
Im totally fine that all lvl 45 mythic got a boost, everyone’s happy, but meantime you are nerfing all lvl 50 mythic, WHY? i mean, who came up with this idea?
You are taking away all the effort, time, money away for those who did invest in multiple lvl 50 items, your game has this mechanic, players followed that route and now we are ditched? This is freaking stealing!
Imagine in 3.0 we are introduced of honing, and everyone will put in work to hone our gear, next patch comes in, all resouces used for honing are deleted, how does everyone feel about that?
This is Re-f***ing-diculous!
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To clarify, it’s not the Lvl 50 Mythic that is being nerfed… It’s the resources used to upgrade the item from Lvl 45 to 50 that are being nerfed/vaporized.
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I think people are looking at the update the wrong way. It didn’t really nerf level 50 mythics at all. If you hone your mythic to level 5, its essentially level 50. They even gave you your mythic relics back to do this. Basically mythics can go to level 55 now by honing them all the way. They also added 4 different mythics with the upper two (or three) being even better than the pre-patch level 50 mythics we had before. So in any event its a win for everyone. Even if you used your glyphs poorly, its fine because of how easily it is to farm legendaries and mythics now. Its so easy now, that the amount of mythics you’ve gotten already doesn’t even matter that much in all honesty. Any set you want you can go out and farm now relatively easy. This was an extremely generous move on the devs part, not a scam at all IMO.
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The point is that we already spent a LOT of time (and sometimes money) farming glyphs. Whether or not it’ll be easy to farm new gear, it stings to see the value of those glyphs just disappear.
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All of us that have been in that situation 100% agree with that. Looking back it is impossible not to think “If I had done differently…”. So we are not denying that, or “scolding” anyone for having this feeling. That is normal. What we don’t agree is the argument that we are entitled to any compensation.
Let’s give another example. Yesterday I got this:
Left is the item I already had, right a dungeon drop while I was farming for spell pages. I like the new one much more, so I will use it instead of the one I had. If I understood your arguments correctly, you will agree that the value of the 6 glyphs used to upgrade the amulet I had have disappeared, won’t you? As with the lvl 50 items, If I hadn’t spent them there I would have been able to get another mythic piece. So do you believe I should also ask for compensation?
Well, I probably don’t have to explain why I don’t find any sense in that. Instead of being upset because I have “lost” 6 glyphs I am elated because I have saved resources from not having to reroll attributes and even gained extra power for some of the attributes! All that for free, since I wasn’t even farming for gear!
As in my last argument, if I have to choose between nothing changing and getting something positive in exchange of “losing” my glyphs “worth” I will always choose the second, because in the end what matters to me is that I am getting some real benefit, instead of being upset for a loss of value that isn’t even real. There isn’t any way in which we can get back the value of the resources spent, so losing their value has 0 real world impact, only a psychological one due to the wistful thinking of “if I had done differently…”. It “stings”? Well, yes. But not so bad as to not enjoy the great things that come with it.
Just a last question. If you stopped playing the game and deleted it right now, would you say that you have wasted all the time, effort and money put into it all this time? According to your argument, the answer would be yes, because you would be losing all the value of that. But then… why were you even playing? The point I am trying to make here is that you are forgetting that the time, effort and money you put into the game to keep growing was part of the enjoyment of the game. That shouldn’t disappear or lost its value. And if you think it truly does, then I am sad because that is an awful way to see things for me. If the game changes so much I don’t like it anymore, I will leave it happy with all the great times it has given me. All my investments into it won’t “disappear”, they were the price to pay for me enjoying my time and it was worth it.
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Will we be able to hone all gear up to Tier X in a (hopefully sharpish) future update or not?
As it is, I’m stuck with all my various coloured loadout builds at a maximum of Tier IV. Even if I had infinite resources there is no option to upgrade or improve my gear.
Pre-update this was possible, now it’s not. What gives?