PvP : Not getting a top opponent

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Hi @Necro ,

I have finished in 1st place in the top tier pvp tournaments and can assure you it was not through any “exploits”. There are strategies that can be used to help ensure you are getting the max points available in any given tournament. There are also flaws (bugs?) in the matchmaking that can prevent you from getting points that should be available.

Some bugs that have been identified and have been reported in these forums recently. I do think these have led to some “bad” results in tournaments that gave a player an unfair advantage in the scoring.

I know you are a guest on the ToO discord. Hit me up there and I can look at your top 10 list and compare it with mine to see if your list fits what I would expect to see.

All that said, I think what you are experiencing is an issue I detailed in my post here:

2.3 PvP Details

There is a fundamental disadvantage in the scoring system that punishes those seeded (by +pts) in the top 10. Here is a simplified breakdown. Imagine a tournament with 25 players, the top seeded player will give 4550 (3500x1.3) to all other players who achieve a perfect victory. The problem is that seeded player 1 cannot fight themself, so they are limited to the +pts from players 2-11. Seeded player 2, same situation, but gets scores from 1 and 3-11. All the way down through the top 10 the max…

It is a long thread, so I will cross-post it here.

There is a fundamental disadvantage in the scoring system that punishes those seeded (by +pts) in the top 10.

Here is a simplified breakdown. Imagine a tournament with 25 players, the top seeded player will give 4550 (3500x1.3) to all other players who achieve a perfect victory. The problem is that seeded player 1 cannot fight themself, so they are limited to the +pts from players 2-11. Seeded player 2, same situation, but gets scores from 1 and 3-11. All the way down through the top 10 the maximum score available is less than that for all players seeded 11 and below.

This chart assumes perfect victory for all fights to help illustrate the flaw in the scoring system:

Seeded Rank	Bonus Avail	Perfect Victory	Total Possible	Rank Possible
1	3500	4550	38350	11
2	3400	4420	38480	10
3	3300	4290	38610	9
4	3200	4160	38740	8
5	3100	4030	38870	7
6	3000	3900	39000	6
7	2900	3770	39130	5
8	2800	3640	39260	4
9	2700	3510	39390	3
10	2600	3380	39520	2
11	2500	3250	39650	1
12	2400	3120	39650	1
13	2300	2990	39650	1
14	2200	2860	39650	1
15	2100	2730	39650	1
16	2000	2600	39650	1
17	1900	2470	39650	1
18	1800	2340	39650	1
19	1700	2210	39650	1
20	1600	2080	39650	1
21	1500	1950	39650	1
22	1400	1820	39650	1
23	1300	1690	39650	1
24	1200	1560	39650	1
25	1100	1430	39650	1